Doonesbury does ID
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This illustrates nicely what *should* happen, but alas, all that antibiotic resistance stuff is only "microevolution," which even most die-hard young earth creationists (YECs) can accept: so, no second-thoughts about using modern medicines or vaccines that were developed using evolutionary principles. They just say that the evolution of antibiotic resistance is "evolution within the kind," which is peachy-keen. Of course, no one can say exactly what a "kind" is, and whether it's along the same lines as a "species," "genus," "family," etc. They obviously can't base it just on DNA similarity, either. Though what they will affirm, of course, is that "my grandpa wasn't no monkey!"--but chimps and humans are about 98% similar on the DNA level, while even within a species of bacteria, 2 different isolates can share as little as 70% of their DNA sequences. So, while these 2 isolates of E. coli would certainly be the same "kind" (heck, often you hear of one single "bacterial kind"), the 98% similar humans and chimps are different "kinds."
You may think the IDists are better--but not really. At least the YECs are fairly consistent in their position, while some IDists won't even go on record as accepting an old earth; some have said they don't believe in common ancestry, while some, like Behe, have said they do--but, y'know, God (oops, The Designer) just tinkered with certain parts along the way. Even the examples IDists use--bacterial flagella, blood clotting--would be examples of "microevolution," which even YECs accept in theory, yet the IDists feel those scenarios couldn't have happened without some kind of external intelligent guidance.
*scientist head go boom*
Edited to add: PZ weighs in, touching on similar points. Sadly, I think he manages to attribute a silver lining to the situation. (Okay, maybe a bronze one). I *must* be sleep-deprived when PZ is more optimistic than I am, yikes!
This illustrates nicely what *should* happen, but alas, all that antibiotic resistance stuff is only "microevolution," which even most die-hard young earth creationists (YECs) can accept: so, no second-thoughts about using modern medicines or vaccines that were developed using evolutionary principles. They just say that the evolution of antibiotic resistance is "evolution within the kind," which is peachy-keen. Of course, no one can say exactly what a "kind" is, and whether it's along the same lines as a "species," "genus," "family," etc. They obviously can't base it just on DNA similarity, either. Though what they will affirm, of course, is that "my grandpa wasn't no monkey!"--but chimps and humans are about 98% similar on the DNA level, while even within a species of bacteria, 2 different isolates can share as little as 70% of their DNA sequences. So, while these 2 isolates of E. coli would certainly be the same "kind" (heck, often you hear of one single "bacterial kind"), the 98% similar humans and chimps are different "kinds."
You may think the IDists are better--but not really. At least the YECs are fairly consistent in their position, while some IDists won't even go on record as accepting an old earth; some have said they don't believe in common ancestry, while some, like Behe, have said they do--but, y'know, God (oops, The Designer) just tinkered with certain parts along the way. Even the examples IDists use--bacterial flagella, blood clotting--would be examples of "microevolution," which even YECs accept in theory, yet the IDists feel those scenarios couldn't have happened without some kind of external intelligent guidance.
*scientist head go boom*
Edited to add: PZ weighs in, touching on similar points. Sadly, I think he manages to attribute a silver lining to the situation. (Okay, maybe a bronze one). I *must* be sleep-deprived when PZ is more optimistic than I am, yikes!
